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  New British terror attack just occured train station!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. experiences

  a man yelling "this is for syria" slashed a strangers throat and was quickly tasered by police and arrested.

  video avalible...looks like war is coming soon.

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  Jonathan Drake

  This is going to make life much harder on refugees.

  And no no that wasn't my first thought, which was for the victims - just making an observation.
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  SHUNNING - Unchristian Psychological Torture

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some time ago, i wrote an extensive article on shunning and published it on my website.

  since that website had views on doctrinal matters that no longer reflect my current stand, i took the website down.

  however, my views on this matter are still current, and for the benefit of everyone here, i'm going to post the article here.

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  As an atheist, the bible is not my guidebook anymore, but the point I am trying to make is that the Watchtower has very little biblical basis for the way they practice shunning.
  

  I gathered this was your point. I just fail to see how you've come to believe this is the case.

  There are Muslims who believe the Koran is a book of peace, and tolerance. They'd never hurt anyone. They feel that ISIS has no basis in the Koran for their murderous actions.

  Then there are Muslims who believe the Koran is a book that justifies ISIS, and encourages these murderous actions. These Muslims would kill the Muslims first mentioned. They don't see any basis in the Koran for shush passive beliefs.

  My point is, you aren't making an effective argument. You're taking a book that can be interpreted countless different ways and interpreting it differently. That's all. From the perspective of a Jehovah's Witness the bible does justify shunning, and you cannot prove it doesn't.
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  SHUNNING - Unchristian Psychological Torture

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some time ago, i wrote an extensive article on shunning and published it on my website.

  since that website had views on doctrinal matters that no longer reflect my current stand, i took the website down.

  however, my views on this matter are still current, and for the benefit of everyone here, i'm going to post the article here.

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  Jonathan Drake

  As an atheist, the bible is not my guidebook anymore, but the point I am trying to make is that the Watchtower has very little biblical basis for the way they practice shunning.
  

  I gathered this was your point. I just fail to see how you've come to believe this is the case.

  There are Muslims who believe the Koran is a book of peace, and tolerance. They'd never hurt anyone. They feel that ISIS has no basis in the Koran for their murderous actions.

  Then there are Muslims who believe the Koran is a book that justifies ISIS, and encourages these murderous actions. These Muslims would kill the Muslims first mentioned. They don't see any basis in the Koran for shush passive beliefs.

  My point is, you aren't making an effective argument. You're taking a book that can be interpreted countless different ways and interpreting it differently. That's all. From the perspective of a Jehovah's Witness the bible does justify shunning, and you cannot prove it doesn't.
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  SHUNNING - Unchristian Psychological Torture

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some time ago, i wrote an extensive article on shunning and published it on my website.

  since that website had views on doctrinal matters that no longer reflect my current stand, i took the website down.

  however, my views on this matter are still current, and for the benefit of everyone here, i'm going to post the article here.

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  Jonathan Drake

  As an atheist, the bible is not my guidebook anymore, but the point I am trying to make is that the Watchtower has very little biblical basis for the way they practice shunning.
  

  I gathered this was your point. I just fail to see how you've come to believe this is the case.

  There are Muslims who believe the Koran is a book of peace, and tolerance. They'd never hurt anyone. They feel that ISIS has no basis in the Koran for their murderous actions.

  Then there are Muslims who believe the Koran is a book that justifies ISIS, and encourages these murderous actions. These Muslims would kill the Muslims first mentioned. They don't see any basis in the Koran for shush passive beliefs.

  My point is, you aren't making an effective argument. You're taking a book that can be interpreted countless different ways and interpreting it differently. That's all. From the perspective of a Jehovah's Witness the bible does justify shunning, and you cannot prove it doesn't.
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  SHUNNING - Unchristian Psychological Torture

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some time ago, i wrote an extensive article on shunning and published it on my website.

  since that website had views on doctrinal matters that no longer reflect my current stand, i took the website down.

  however, my views on this matter are still current, and for the benefit of everyone here, i'm going to post the article here.

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  Jonathan Drake

  Lisa Rose,

  anymore I generally try to stay out of bible debate because it's all interpretation. But you're factually wrong about the bible not encouraging shunning.

  there are direct references in the old testament which I already referred to, where it says one should be "cut off" from amongst the people. Watchtower falsely states this to mean killed - it does not mean killed. If they would study history and use the Hebrew term as it is meant, they'd actually have an argument for shunning that's scripturally based. Because that's what is happening, a person is shunned and sent to a city ostracized from family and friends.

  No, the bible does not justify what the Watchtower does, which is to break up families, hurt people who are going through difficult times and shut down those with valid concerns, all to protect the hierarchy of a cult.
  

  This is just blatently untrue. Peter, as an apostle, literally kills a couple for holding back some of their money and pretending to give a lot to the early Christian congregation. This is way worse than shunning, I'd take shunning over this any day. So if we are going to try to use the bible to show shunning is wrong maybe we should stop, lest they start ACTUALLY killing people and follow Peters example.
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  SHUNNING - Unchristian Psychological Torture

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some time ago, i wrote an extensive article on shunning and published it on my website.

  since that website had views on doctrinal matters that no longer reflect my current stand, i took the website down.

  however, my views on this matter are still current, and for the benefit of everyone here, i'm going to post the article here.

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  Jonathan Drake

  Al these posts just to claim that you're interpretation is right and someone else's is wrong.

  you can't actually prove shunning is unscriptural. Doesn't matter how many words you use, or what the Greeks did.

  jesus said he came to fulfill the law, part of that law was for sinners to be "cut off from amongst gods people". Jesus never said this shouldn't be done, nor did he ever abolish the law - he claims in the bible to have come specifically not to replace the law, indicating it should still stand.

  and the law called for a "cutting off" or a separation from the whole in cases of wrong doing. Special cities were built in Israel for these shunned and exiled people to go live.

  You cannot prove shunning is unscriptural or wrong. All you can claim is that you believe it is and base that on your interpretation of words that can be made to mean anything.
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  Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.

  by James Mixon in

  1. social
  2. current

  san bernardino california.

  up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.

  disabilities.

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  I wish they'd stop with this "self radicalized" nonsense. Call it like it is - they already had the seed of extremism planted with their faith. There is a clear external factor in all these independent attacks.
  

  This is really grinding my nerves as well. How is it going over anyone's head that the Koran easily sanctions this. Why is our leadership so afraid to recognize the real problem and deal with it?
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  Stuart Anderson Nobel Peace prize

  by poopie in

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  Jonathan Drake

  Are you referring to Angus Stewart by chance? The counsel for the Royal comission. (I may have misspelled is last name)
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  Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.

  by James Mixon in

  1. social
  2. current

  san bernardino california.

  up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.

  disabilities.

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  Billy blobber: Islam is not a race
  

  I'm glad we agree. Islam is a terrible religion and needs ridiculed and reasoned with. Apologists and Muslims that claim to be peaceful need shown that their faith is unreliable and that the religion is responsible for all interpretations of its book both good and bad.

  This is not racism, or islamaphobia. It's just true.
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  Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.

  by James Mixon in

  1. social
  2. current

  san bernardino california.

  up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.

  disabilities.

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  Jonathan Drake

  The shooting at the abortion clinic was an act of terrorism, for christian ideas. This nonsense needs to be worked out of our society as does ideas of any other religion that basis its belief on outdated ideas of hatred and murder.
  

  SLOW CLAP

  And for those posting about Islam as a race - it is not. It is absolutely not a race. It is a religion made up of many different races all around the world just like Christianity.